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04/02/2014 03:15 PM House LABOR & COMMERCE


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             HB 160-LICENSING OF ATHLETIC TRAINERS                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:04:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON announced  that the final order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO. 160,  "An  Act  relating  to the  licensing  and                                                               
regulation of athletic trainers."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:05:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   STEVE   THOMPSON,  Alaska   State   Legislature,                                                               
speaking  as sponsor,  stated  that HB  160  would amend  current                                                               
statutes  to  establish  licensing  and  regulation  of  athletic                                                               
trainers  in Alaska.   He  explained that  athletic trainers  are                                                               
health  care professionals  who  collaborate  with physicians  to                                                               
ensure the  practice of  sports medicine clients.   He  said that                                                               
this  profession  plays a  significant  role  in the  management,                                                               
prevention, recognition,  and rehabilitation of  injured athletes                                                               
under the  supervision of a  licensed physician.  Trainers  are a                                                               
vital resource in administrating  injury prevention and treatment                                                               
programs as well  as immediate emergency care for  the support in                                                               
the athletic  community.  He reported  that Alaska is one  of two                                                               
states without licensure  of athletic trainers.   He related that                                                               
HB  160 will  require  athletic  trainers to  have  a license  to                                                               
practice  in the  state and  will  hold them  accountable to  the                                                               
rigorous  standards of  the Board  of Certification,  Inc. (BOC),                                                               
which  is  a  national  agency created  to  certify  health  care                                                               
professionals and assure  protection of the public.   As Alaskans                                                               
become  increasingly active,  the need  for properly  trained and                                                               
licensed athletic trainers becomes imperative.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:06:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRODIE  ANDERSON, Staff,  Representative  Steve Thompson,  Alaska                                                               
State Legislature,  provided a section-by-section analysis  of HB
160.   He  stated that  Section 1  would add  a new  paragraph to                                                               
license athletic  trainers.  Section  2 would add a  new chapter,                                                               
chapter  7, for  athletic trainers,  AS 08.07.010,  outlining the                                                               
licensing requirements and exemptions.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON  referred to  a  new  section, AS  08.07.020,  that                                                               
identifies  the qualifications,  fees,  and  renewal process  for                                                               
athletic trainers.  He said that  AS 08.07.030 adds a new section                                                               
that identifies the scope of  practice for athletic trainers.  He                                                               
identified  that  AS  08.07.040   outlines  the  regulations  for                                                               
athletic trainers  that the  department will need  to adopt.   He                                                               
stated that  AS 08.07.049 provides  definitions and  AS 09.65.300                                                               
inserts athletic trainers to the list of health care providers.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON explained  the final  two sections,  Sec. 4  and 5,                                                               
amends   AS  47.17.290   (13)  adds   an   athletic  trainer   to                                                               
"practitioner  of the  healing arts"  and adds  a new  section of                                                               
uncodified law outlining the applicability of the bill.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:08:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HERRON asked for  the catalyst for introducing the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  THOMPSON  answered  that some  athletic  trainers                                                               
asked  him   to  assist  them  in   obtaining  certification  and                                                               
licensure since 48 states currently offer it.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:09:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   HERRON  asked   whether  any   recent  incidents                                                               
highlight the need for the bill due to lack of skills.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE THOMPSON  said that  he is aware  of some  but did                                                               
not have sufficient information to discuss.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON  anticipated testimony by Lynn  Young, Treasurer for                                                               
the Alaska  Athletic Trainers  Association (AATA).   He  said the                                                               
Association came  forward since Alaska  is one of the  few states                                                               
that don't regulate athletic trainers.   Concerns have previously                                                               
been expressed that people might  take a couple of online courses                                                               
and then hold themselves out as athletic trainers.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  OLSON  answered that  this  concept  has  been a  work  in                                                               
progress for several years.   He commended the current version as                                                               
being "the cleanest" version to date.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON  explained  the  fiscal note  dated  3/28/14.    He                                                               
reported that in  FY 15 $48.1, and for each  consecutive year for                                                               
FY 16-20 at $5.0 thousand to establish the licensing program.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:11:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CHENAULT asked  whether  adding athletic  trainer                                                               
costs associated  with injuries  will be  passed on  to insurance                                                               
companies.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON answered  that he  didn't know,  but he  offered to                                                               
check and report back to the committee.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:12:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LYNN   YOUNG,  Secretary/Treasurer,   Alaska  Athletic   Trainers                                                               
Association (ATTA),  stated that  she is also  the chair  for the                                                               
governmental  affairs  committee  and  is  a  certified  athletic                                                               
trainer.    She  explained  that  athletic  trainers  are  highly                                                               
trained multi-skilled  professionals who  are part of  the allied                                                               
health  care profession.   She  reported  that athletic  trainers                                                               
work, collaborate,  and work under  the direction  of physicians.                                                               
She  stated  that  services provided  by  athletic  trainers  are                                                               
prevention,  emergency  care,  clinical  assessment,  therapeutic                                                               
intervention,   and  rehabilitation   of  injuries   and  medical                                                               
conditions.   Individuals  who wish  to become  athletic trainers                                                               
must  earn   a  degree  from  an   accredited  athletic  training                                                               
curriculum,  and  sit for  the  national  board of  certification                                                               
exam, and upon  passage can call themselves  a certified athletic                                                               
trainer.   Athletic  trainers must  adhere to  50 hours  biennial                                                               
continuing education  approved by the  national BOC, of  which 10                                                               
hours   must  be   part  of   an   evidenced  based   curriculum.                                                               
Additionally,   athletic   trainers   must   obtain   a   current                                                               
certification  in  emergency  cardiac  care at  a  minimum  of  a                                                               
professional rescuer  level or above.   She reported  that Alaska                                                               
is one of  two states to not yet license  athletic trainers.  She                                                               
indicated that  the trainers  are proactive  in asking  for this.                                                               
She was not aware of any  improper behavior; however, they do not                                                               
want to wait  [until an issue occurs] and be  reactive.  In 2011,                                                               
athletic  trainers also  testified  on HB  15,  which relates  to                                                               
concussions, and  athletic trainers  are one  of the  health care                                                               
providers who  can assist with  the prevention,  recognition, and                                                               
proper care  of concussions.   Due  to the  severity and  risk of                                                               
concussions,  athletic  trainers  do   not  want  anyone  holding                                                               
themselves out to  be an athletic trainer and  putting school age                                                               
children  at  risk.    She urged  members  to  regulate  athletic                                                               
trainers to  ensure at a  minimum that people  calling themselves                                                               
athletic trainers have the basic education and qualifications.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:16:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLETT  asked  which  sports  have  the  highest                                                               
incidence of concussions.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. YOUNG answered  that football has the  highest incidence, and                                                               
she  added girls'  soccer, boys'  soccer, girls'  basketball, and                                                               
boys' basketball; however, not enough  data exists for ice hockey                                                               
since  not every  state has  ice hockey  programs.   She surmised                                                               
that ice hockey probably would rank as high as football.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:16:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLETT asked whether  helmet design has improved,                                                               
if they are helpful, or if it is just the nature of sports.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. YOUNG  answered that helmets  are "marketed,"  as concussion-                                                               
proof; however, the anatomy of the  brain is such that it sits in                                                               
fluid and nothing can prevent  concussions.  She noted that skull                                                               
fractures or structural problems can  be minimized, but the brain                                                               
will slosh  against the skull,  which can cause  concussions when                                                               
injured.  She offered her  belief that "concussion proof" helmets                                                               
help prevent  skull fractures  help but  they will  not eliminate                                                               
the risk of concussions.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:17:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON  asked for examples of  what an athletic                                                               
trainer does.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  YOUNG explained  that the  traditional setting  for athletic                                                               
trainers is on  the sidelines of sporting events.   Some military                                                               
and other employers hire athletic  trainers to minimize injuries.                                                               
She stated  that athletic trainers provide  education and provide                                                               
emergency  health care  and assess  whether  the treatment  falls                                                               
within their  scope of practice.   Athletic trainers  can provide                                                               
post-surgery therapeutic exercises  and provide rehabilitation to                                                               
safely return them to their sports activities.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:19:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON asked why  California does not currently                                                               
have regulation for licensed athletic trainers.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  YOUNG  answered   that  California  is  a   big  state  with                                                               
significant licensure  of professions so  the state is  trying to                                                               
figure out  the athletic trainer's role.   She said that  she has                                                               
held discussions with  California's governmental affair's agency,                                                               
and their director  indicated that it is in part  due to the size                                                               
of the state, but also due to the politics involved.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:20:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked her to  discuss the national BOC and                                                               
the relationship  to athletic trainers  and if the  BOC certifies                                                               
other professions.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. YOUNG  answered that the  BOC is  the board for  the national                                                               
Athletic  Trainers'  Association.   It  regulates  and  certifies                                                               
athletic trainers  and ensures  that competencies  are met.   The                                                               
BOC  establishes the  basic educational  and clinical  components                                                               
necessary to show  competency in order for applicants  to sit for                                                               
the  exam.   The BOC  outlines  the practice  standards, code  of                                                               
professional responsibility,  ethics, and  establishes continuing                                                               
education.     Athletic  trainers  must  maintain   50  hours  of                                                               
continuing education biennially and  the DOC assesses, documents,                                                               
and  certifies   the  athletic   trainers  have   met  continuing                                                               
education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:21:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  asked how this bill  will affect athletic                                                               
trainer's income or reimbursement rate.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  YOUNG answered  it probably  will  not have  much impact  in                                                               
terms  of insurance  and  fees,  but HB  160  will improve  youth                                                               
safety.    She  related  that  currently  athletic  trainers  are                                                               
looking nationally  at reimbursement,  but she thought  that will                                                               
take  years  to  implement.   Currently,  athletic  trainers  are                                                               
employed  by schools,  orthopedic  groups, or  hospitals to  help                                                               
ensure safety of their clients.   She said some athletic trainers                                                               
work  in the  capacity  of physician  extenders  so the  athletic                                                               
trainer services would be billed  similar to a medical assistant,                                                               
under the license of a physician.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:22:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  related her own experience  when her son                                                               
played football.   She said  she bought an  expensive concussion-                                                               
proof  helmet, but  her son  suffered a  concussion anyway.   She                                                               
asked if there was a website parents can go to for information.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  YOUNG answered  that some  sites,  such as  the centers  for                                                               
disease  control and  the  national  athletic trainers'  websites                                                               
acknowledged  that  good  helmets  decrease  the  risk  of  skull                                                               
fractures, but they  do not endorse statements  that helmets will                                                               
prevent  concussions.     She  acknowledged   that  unfortunately                                                               
marketing will make  claims; however, she said it  is likely that                                                               
she decreased  a worst-case scenario,  in which her son  may have                                                               
avoided a skull fracture.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:24:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SARA  CHAMBERS,  Director,  Professional Licensing,  Division  of                                                               
Corporations,  Business, and  Professional Licensing,  Department                                                               
of Commerce, Community, & Economic  Development (DCCED), asked to                                                               
discuss the fiscal note and  the basic process of licensing fees.                                                               
She said that the fiscal note  estimates $180 for the first year,                                                               
followed by $100-$150 per year for an biennial license fee.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:27:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked whether  any economy of scale exists                                                               
to set up two boards at the same time.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHAMBERS answered that she  would need to ponder it; however,                                                               
AS 08.01.065 dictates how the  division sets licensing fees.  She                                                               
explained that this  statute requires each cost must  be borne by                                                               
the licensees.  She described it  as a fairly rigorous process to                                                               
identify costs  that directly support  individual programs.   She                                                               
suggested it  is unlikely there  would be substantial  savings to                                                               
do so.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:28:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER  remarked   that  several  new  licensing                                                               
programs are likely headed her way.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CHAMBERS  answered that  it  is  possible potential  savings                                                               
could  occur if  multiple  licensing programs  share  work.   She                                                               
offered to check into it for the committee.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:28:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CARY KELLER,  Orthopedic Surgeon, stated  that he has  offices in                                                               
Fairbanks  and  Sitka.    He  said  that  he  probably  has  more                                                               
experience than anyone  in Alaska in terms  of athletic trainers.                                                               
He  related that  he has  cared  for collegiate  and high  school                                                               
athletes  and has  worked  closely with  athletic  trainers.   He                                                               
currently  is the  chair of  Alaska State  Activities Association                                                               
Sports Medicine  advisory committee and he  has served nationally                                                               
on  the  National Federation  of  High  Schools' sports  medicine                                                               
advisory committee.   He explained  that the  national federation                                                               
is the  National Collegiate Athletic  Association (NCAA)  of high                                                               
school sports.   He  indicated that  he is  a former  trustee and                                                               
fellow of the  American College of Sports Medicine.   He has also                                                               
served  as  the  team  physician for  the  University  of  Alaska                                                               
Fairbanks  and  for  the  schools in  the  Fairbanks  North  Star                                                               
Borough  School District  for 30  years.   He offered  his belief                                                               
that  athletic trainers  are incredibly  important in  the school                                                               
setting and also a tremendous  help to persons outside the school                                                               
setting.    It has  become  increasingly  clear that  the  public                                                               
schools and  university have  responsibility to  student athletes                                                               
to help prevent injuries, evaluate  injuries when they occur, and                                                               
to  care  for those  injuries  -  both  the  acute care  and  the                                                               
rehabilitation as  Ms. Young  described.   He offered  his belief                                                               
that it  has been  clear since the  months following  the state's                                                               
passage  of  concussion  legislation   that  schools  are  poorly                                                               
prepared  to  take  on  the  responsibility  in  the  absence  of                                                               
athletic trainers  in the schools.   Therefore, the AATA  and the                                                               
schools have  worked together to  establish protocols  for taking                                                               
care of and protecting concussed athletes.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:31:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. KELLER offered  his belief that the schools that  do the best                                                               
job with  concussions are ones  with athletic trainers  and other                                                               
schools have  difficulty finding  substitutes.  He  suggested the                                                               
best substitute  is the school  nurse.  Concussions are  just one                                                               
example  since athletes  obtain all  kinds of  injuries, and  the                                                               
schools are poorly prepared to take  care of all of the injuries.                                                               
He recalled that  in the 1980s he performed a  study in Alaska of                                                               
all  injuries  in two  seasons  in  the  FNSBSD.   Once  athletic                                                               
trainers were added  another study was conducted  over two years.                                                               
He concluded  that with the  presence of athletic trainers,  a 70                                                               
percent  reduction  of  injuries   happened  and  the  associated                                                               
medical costs  decreased by 50  percent.  He said  the statistics                                                               
emphasize  the value  of the  athletic trainers.   He  has worked                                                               
closely with  ASAA, and  its board  passed a  motion recommending                                                               
all schools  have athletic trainers and  they further recommended                                                               
that  the University  of  Alaska develop  a  curriculum to  train                                                               
athletic  trainers  to   meet  the  needs  of  the   state.    He                                                               
complimented the sponsor and encouraged passage of HB 160.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:34:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTOPHER DEAN,  Certified Athletic Trainer;  President, Alaska                                                               
Athletic  Trainers Association  (AATA), thanked  members for  the                                                               
opportunity  to  address  the   committee.    He  explained  that                                                               
athletic trainers are allied health  care professionals who serve                                                               
communities  at many  levels, including  youth competitive  teams                                                               
through  high  school,   collegiate,  and  professional  athletic                                                               
teams.   He reiterated  that Alaska and  California are  the only                                                               
states that do not license athletic  trainers.  He asked the 49th                                                               
state to  be the 49th state  to pass licensure.   He acknowledged                                                               
that some confusion exists between  personal trainer and athletic                                                               
trainers.    He   said  Ms.  Young  has   highlighted  the  role,                                                               
qualifications, and  duties of athletic trainers.   He emphasized                                                               
that athletic trainers are not personal trainers.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. DEAN offered  his belief that the  greatest consideration for                                                               
licensure is public  safety.  He recalled that House  Bill 15 was                                                               
enacted in  2011 and  specifically named  athletic trainers  as a                                                               
qualified  health  care provider  who  can  evaluate, manage  and                                                               
treat  concussions; however,  currently in  Alaska, anyone  could                                                               
call  his/herself   an  athletic  trainer.     The  Alaska  State                                                               
Activities  Association (ASAA),  the  Anchorage School  District,                                                               
and  the  FNSB  School  District  have  worked  hard  to  promote                                                               
concussion   education  and   awareness  and   identify  athletic                                                               
trainers as a  qualified health care provider  to treat concussed                                                               
student athletes.   Further, a parent, student,  and coach should                                                               
be assured that  the athletic trainer is a  certified trainer and                                                               
has  the necessary  education and  competency to  provide quality                                                               
health care.   Earlier, a  question was asked about  any negative                                                               
events  in Alaska  regarding  athletic trainers.    He related  a                                                               
scenario  in   which  a  14-year-old   student  who   suffered  a                                                               
concussion that  took 3.5 weeks  to heal.  The  student completed                                                               
the  return-to-play  protocol  as   defined  by  ASAA,  which  is                                                               
standard  in   the  medical  community   and  returned   to  full                                                               
participation  on a  Wednesday.   He  played  again and  suffered                                                               
another concussion, was helped off  the field by the coaches, and                                                               
sat on the  sideline in pain for  30 minutes.  At the  end of the                                                               
game the mother was informed that  her son was simply scared, but                                                               
the coach insisted  her son did not have a  concussion.  Although                                                               
she  asked  whether  the  coach   was  an  athletic  trainer  and                                                               
qualified to  make the determination and  he said he was,  he was                                                               
not.    The scenario  highlights  an  instance in  which  someone                                                               
represented himself  incorrectly and placed a  student athlete at                                                               
risk, he said.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:39:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DEAN,  in response  to  an  earlier question,  related  that                                                               
insurance  billing   is  an  area   he  would  like   to  pursue.                                                               
Currently,  athletic trainers  cannot bill  because they  are not                                                               
licensed  providers.   He  said  his  number one  priority  after                                                               
obtaining licensure  will be to  ask insurers to  recognize them,                                                               
as other states have, to  identify them as health care providers.                                                               
In further  response to a  question on  employment opportunities,                                                               
he   indicated   one   physical  therapist's   office   has   the                                                               
authorization to  hire five athletic  trainers once this  bill is                                                               
passed.  He  emphasized that this bill will help,  and he thanked                                                               
members for the opportunity to testify.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:40:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD  surmised  that injuries  likely  happen                                                               
more often  since coaches need players  to win and may  not "have                                                               
the  will" to  identify the  injury.   She suggested  that it  is                                                               
better  to have  a more  objective person  make these  decisions.                                                               
She thanked him for his testimony.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  OLSON,  after first  determining  no  one else  wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony on HB 160.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:41:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD moved  to report HB 160  out of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.   There being no objection,  HB 160 was reported  from the                                                               
House Labor & Commerce Standing Committee.                                                                                      

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB309 ver C.PDF HL&C 4/2/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 309
HB309 Sponsor Statement.pdf HL&C 4/2/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 309
HB309 Draft Proposed Blank CS ver Y.pdf HL&C 4/2/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 309
HB309 Summary of Changes ver C to Ver Y.pdf HL&C 4/2/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 309
HB309 Draft Proposed Amendment ver Y.1.pdf HL&C 4/2/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 309
HB309 Draft Proposed Amendment ver Y.2.pdf HL&C 4/2/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 309
HB309 Supporting Documents-Assorted Letters.pdf HL&C 4/2/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 309
HB309 Supporting Documents-News Articles-Assorted.pdf HL&C 4/2/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 309
HB309 Fiscal Note-DCCED-ABC-03-27-14.pdf HL&C 4/2/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 309
HB160 ver O.pdf HL&C 4/2/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 160
HB160 Sponsor Statement.pdf HL&C 4/2/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 160
HB160 Sectional Analysis.pdf HL&C 4/2/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 160
HB160 Fiscal Note-DCCED-CBPL-03-28-14.pdf HL&C 4/2/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 160
HB160 Supporting Documents- Athletic Trainer Profession Sheet.pdf HL&C 4/2/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 160
HB160 Supporting Documents- Athletic Trainers Fact Sheet.pdf HL&C 4/2/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 160
HB160 Supporting Documents-Assorted Letters.pdf HL&C 4/2/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 160